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Drone Defense Expert - The Gun Collective Podcast

The Gun Collective Podcast
Published on December 19, 2024
Category: Tactical & Gear
Duration: 60:36

Barton Bolas of Robo Rounds discusses advanced projectile technologies designed to counter drones and robots. The company develops specialized ammunition, including pneumatic rounds with flexible line payloads for drone takedown and centerfire rounds with unique materials like gallium and magnetic powders to disable robotic systems by targeting electronics and internal mechanisms. These solutions aim for no collateral damage, offering a tactical advantage against emerging aerial and robotic threats.

Tags

Robo Rounds
Anti-Drone Ammunition
Pneumatic Projectiles
Centerfire Ammunition
Electronic Warfare
Robot Disablement
Drone Defense
EMP Rounds
Gallium Ammunition
Whiskering Rounds
Jamming Rounds
Law Enforcement
Military Applications

Quick Summary

Robo Rounds develops advanced ammunition for drone and robot defense, focusing on electronic disruption. Their technologies include pneumatic rounds with disabling payloads and centerfire bullets that magnetize on impact, create 'whiskers' to short-circuit electronics, or emit jamming signals to neutralize robotic threats with minimal collateral damage.

Chapters

  1. 00:02Introduction to The Gun Collective Podcast
  2. 00:15Sponsor Shoutouts: Camarado & XS Sights
  3. 01:30Guest Introduction: Barton Bolas of Robo Rounds
  4. 01:51Robo Rounds: Advanced Projectile Material Laboratory
  5. 02:36The Growing Threat of Drones
  6. 03:01Why Drones Are Perceived as Threatening
  7. 04:04Shift in Public Perception of Drones
  8. 04:52Lack of Clear Solutions for Drone Threats
  9. 07:08The Problem of Desensitization to Threats
  10. 08:31Analogy: One Incident Leading to Widespread Security Measures
  11. 09:30Drones at Night: A Specific Concern
  12. 09:48Consumer Drones and Regulatory Challenges
  13. 10:33Drones as Payload Carriers: A Scary Reality
  14. 11:31Society's Preference for Repair Over Preparation
  15. 12:14Significant Investment in Drone Countermeasures
  16. 13:01Where Do We Draw the Line on Drone Threats?
  17. 13:39Calls for Action: Iron Dome for Drones
  18. 14:14Death by Responsibility Diffusion
  19. 14:44Robo Rounds' Anti-Drone Solution
  20. 15:13Pneumatic Launcher Anti-Drone System
  21. 15:46Partnership with Hop Ammo
  22. 16:03The First Anti-Robotic Bullet
  23. 16:25Competing Companies in Robot Development
  24. 17:06Sci-Fi Scenarios: Terminator and Repo Man
  25. 17:21Explaining Pneumatic Projectiles
  26. 17:44Pneumatic Rounds: Jammer Projectiles
  27. 18:14Evolution of Projectile Design
  28. 18:37Patent for Loading Flexible Line into Projectiles
  29. 19:15Effectiveness of the Chain Payload
  30. 19:52The Concept of Ball Chain Delivery
  31. 20:51Full Auto vs. Feathered Trigger
  32. 21:12Shotgun Analogy for Hit Ratio
  33. 21:52Challenges of Shooting Aerial Targets
  34. 22:09Risks of Firing in Urban Areas
  35. 22:33Protecting Embassies with Low-Collateral Solutions
  36. 23:27Civilian Legal Product: Anti-Drone Rounds
  37. 23:42Hollow Points: Purpose and Legality
  38. 24:23The Right to Self-Defense
  39. 24:45Proactive Mitigation vs. Reactive Response
  40. 25:14Question: How Does the Pellet Know When to Open?
  41. 25:26Analog Mechanism of Projectile Opening
  42. 25:35The Problem of Jamming Electronic Systems
  43. 25:50Creating Non-Jammable and Unstoppable Technology
  44. 26:14The Importance of Training and Targeting Systems
  45. 26:43Quotes from Law Enforcement and President
  46. 26:50Drones and Robots: The Same Threat?
  47. 27:09Robots as Sci-Fi vs. Reality
  48. 27:38Humanoid Robot Development
  49. 28:02Centerfire Anti-Robotic Projectiles
  50. 28:21What is the Anti-Robot Bullet?
  51. 28:43Ammunition Focus: Blood, Tissue, Bone vs. Electronics
  52. 29:20Terminator Analogy: Indestructible Machines
  53. 30:11Targeting Electronics, Mechatronics, Signals
  54. 30:21Ferrous Material That Magnetizes on Impact
  55. 30:40Mechanism of Magnetization: Impact Force
  56. 31:15Materials for Impact Magnetization (Alnico Example)
  57. 31:35Dispersion of Metal Powder on Impact
  58. 32:13Magnetic Material Fouling Gears and Actuators
  59. 32:35Centerfire Ammunition Development
  60. 32:41Introduction at SHOT Show
  61. 32:47Three Types of Anti-Robotic Rounds
  62. 33:02The Whiskering Round Concept
  63. 33:12Whiskering Mechanism: Tin and Zinc Hairs
  64. 33:34Causing Cross-Contamination in Circuits
  65. 33:54The Jamming Round for Signal Interference
  66. 34:14Interference with Robot Signals and Sensors
  67. 34:30Delivery Method for Centerfire Rounds
  68. 34:50Filling Hollow Point Cavities
  69. 35:12Expanding Carrying Capacity of Material
  70. 35:47Non-Nuclear Micro EMP Round Development
  71. 36:03EMP Pattern and Size
  72. 36:14Mechanical EMP Generation
  73. 36:36Affecting Multiple Targets with EMP
  74. 37:08Current Methods of Drone Takedown
  75. 37:36Irrelevance of Ground Impact in Warfare
  76. 38:11Bringing War Munitions to Populated Areas
  77. 38:47Fear of Humanoid Robots vs. Networked Robots
  78. 39:06The Real Fear: Networked Robot Vulnerabilities
  79. 39:38Backdoor Access to Robots
  80. 40:17Potential for Malicious Robot Manipulation
  81. 40:40AI and Facial Recognition Technology
  82. 41:28Accelerating Technology Beyond Control
  83. 41:35Dual-Use Nature of Advanced Technologies
  84. 42:07Flare Gun Analogy for Preparedness
  85. 42:23Preparedness: Carrying Mace or a Gun
  86. 42:37Law Enforcement's Confusion Over Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAPs)
  87. 43:17Public Reaction to the Chinese Balloon Incident
  88. 43:34Independence Day Analogy for Drone Threats
  89. 43:45Desensitization and Potential for Terrible Events
  90. 44:15Question: How to Penetrate Robot Armor?
  91. 44:43CQB Round Goal: Hit Hard, Don't Go Through
  92. 45:03Handgun Rounds and Ammunition Design
  93. 45:47Getting Inside Robot Defenses
  94. 45:57Robot Armor vs. Projectile Capabilities
  95. 46:32Targeting Non-Armored Components of Robots
  96. 46:48How Much is Enough? Ammunition for Robots
  97. 47:05Robots: Fast, Strong, and Intelligent Adversaries
  98. 47:47Shoot Until Threat is Stopped Principle
  99. 48:05Secondary Measures for Each Round
  100. 48:24Harassing Robot Rounds: Gallium Amalgam
  101. 48:35Degrading Inner Framework with Gallium
  102. 49:01Penetrating Aluminum Oxide and Anodizing
  103. 49:25Piezoelectric Round Development
  104. 50:01Goal: Electronic Disruption and Robot/Drone Stop
  105. 50:10Interest from Law Enforcement and Correctional Industries
  106. 50:27The Coming Threat: Electronic Problems
  107. 50:35Goal: Get Technology Out, Partner with Others
  108. 50:51The Unknown Unknowns of Future Threats
  109. 51:01Learning Through Failure in R&D
  110. 51:30Learning from Failure vs. Success
  111. 51:50Getting Solutions into Law Enforcement Hands
  112. 52:10Struggle with Slinging Lead into the Sky
  113. 52:36Consumer Level Availability and Preparedness
  114. 53:00Recommendation to Buy Products
  115. 53:24Navigating Local Laws and Regulations
  116. 54:26Unusual Situation: Widespread Calls for Action
  117. 54:59Diffusion of Responsibility in Government
  118. 55:30Circular Problem: Who is 'We'?
  119. 55:53FAA's Perceived Power Over Presidential Directives
  120. 56:26Lack of Definitive Solutions
  121. 56:59Existing Solutions and Their Limitations
  122. 57:05Shotgun Net Round Limitations
  123. 57:46The Answer: Test and Verify
  124. 58:00Interest from Multiple Agencies
  125. 58:09The Coming Decades: Electronic Warfare and UAVs
  126. 58:22The Future is Going to Get Weird
  127. 58:53Licensing Materials and Payloads
  128. 59:11100% Compliant and ITAR Regulated
  129. 59:26Goal: Be Part of the Solution, Protect Humanity
  130. 59:45Check Out Sponsors: XS Sights & Camarado
  131. 01:00:26Conclusion and Thanks

Frequently Asked Questions

What is Robo Rounds' primary focus in ammunition development?

Robo Rounds specializes in advanced projectile materials, focusing on developing ammunition that disrupts electronic systems, disables robots, and counters drones. Their goal is to create solutions with minimal collateral damage, targeting the electronic and mechanical aspects of threats rather than biological ones.

How do Robo Rounds' anti-robotic bullets work?

Their anti-robotic bullets employ various mechanisms. Some become magnetic upon impact to foul robot gears, others use materials that form 'hairs' to short-circuit electronics, and some are designed to emit jamming signals or create localized EMPs to disable robotic systems.

What are the advantages of Robo Rounds' pneumatic anti-drone projectiles?

These pneumatic rounds, resembling paintballs, can be loaded with payloads like flexible lines or tanglers. They are designed to knock drones out of the sky at ranges up to 400 feet with a focus on safety and preventing collateral damage, making them suitable for use near sensitive areas.

What is the 'whiskering' round technology developed by Robo Rounds?

The whiskering round uses materials like tin and zinc that, upon impact, create microscopic 'hairs.' These hairs grow between circuits and solder points, causing electrical contamination and short circuits, effectively attacking the robot's nervous system.

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