Q&A #10: Collectible Surplus Guns, Dumb US Decisions, and Lots of French Stuff

Published on May 16, 2017
Duration: 65:34

This Q&A session from Forgotten Weapons covers a range of firearms topics, including the mechanics of gain twist rifling and its applications, comparisons of various rifle cartridges, historical firearm decisions like the US adoption of the M1903 Springfield over the M1917 Enfield, and the design philosophy behind the AR-15. It also delves into the surplus market, collectible firearm acquisition, and the rationale behind certain firearm designs and their perceived reputations.

Quick Summary

Gain twist rifling varies the rifling pitch along the barrel, starting slow and increasing towards the muzzle. This technique reduces initial pressure when firing large or friction-prone projectiles by easing bullet engraving and spin-up, making it advantageous for calibers like the 20mm Vulcan.

Chapters

  1. 00:00:00Introduction & Gain Twist Rifling
  2. 00:27:00Gain Twist Rifling Explained
  3. 00:39:00Gain Twist Rifling Applications
  4. 00:53:00Bullet Stabilization & Barrel Length
  5. 01:11:00What is Gain Twist Rifling?
  6. 01:36:00Rifling Twist Rate Examples (5.56)
  7. 02:18:00Gain Twist vs. Standard Rifling
  8. 02:52:00Advantage of Gain Twist: Pressure
  9. 03:17:00Large Caliber Application (20mm Vulcan)
  10. 04:00:00Rifle Cartridge Application (6.5 Carcano)
  11. 04:38:006.5 Carcano Pressure Spike Issue
  12. 05:04:00Modern Bullet Design & Gain Twist
  13. 05:39:006.5 Japanese Arisaka vs. Modern 6.5 Rounds
  14. 05:53:006.5 Creedmoor vs. 6.8 SPC/6.5 Grendel
  15. 07:07:00WWI Era 6.5 Cartridges Comparison
  16. 07:43:00US WWI Rifle Shortage & M1917 Enfield
  17. 08:08:00Why Decommission M1917 Enfields?
  18. 08:45:00Post-WWI Rifle Standardization Commission
  19. 09:04:00Reasons for Keeping M1903 Springfield
  20. 10:33:00The 'Pathetic' Reason: Match Rifles
  21. 11:39:00M1903 vs. M1917 Combat Effectiveness
  22. 12:00:00Future Firearms & Hyped Guns
  23. 12:09:00Modern Gun: Hudson H9
  24. 12:34:00Historical Gun: French FR F1/F2 Sniper Rifle
  25. 13:12:00FR F1 Design & Dragunov Comparison
  26. 13:59:00Auction House Acquisitions (Guns You Must Have)
  27. 14:17:00MAS 38 Submachine Gun Acquisition
  28. 15:14:00Stoner's AR-15 Design Principles
  29. 15:35:00Stoner: DGI vs. Gas Piston?
  30. 15:50:00AR-15 DGI System Explained
  31. 17:02:00DGI & Accuracy: Collinear Alignment
  32. 18:29:00Recoil Spring in Stock: Pros & Cons
  33. 19:19:00AR-15 System Effectiveness
  34. 20:08:00Modernizing the BAR (Browning Automatic Rifle)
  35. 20:38:00Effective BAR Modernizations (Belgium, Poland, Sweden)
  36. 21:02:00FN Model D Features
  37. 21:39:00BAR's Role: Automatic Rifle vs. LMG
  38. 22:17:00BAR Modernization Recommendations
  39. 23:01:00Lightening the BAR Receiver
  40. 23:46:00Military Weapon Stockpiles & Surplusing
  41. 24:17:00Why Batch Surplusing?
  42. 24:23:00Madsen Rifle Surplus Example
  43. 25:43:00Spanish Surplus Firearms & Interarms
  44. 28:28:00How Distributors Get Surplus Firearms
  45. 28:49:00Century Arms & Classic Firearms
  46. 31:02:00Historical Surplus Distributors (Hunter's Lodge, Interarms)
  47. 31:44:00Bannerman & IMA Surplus
  48. 32:05:00Nepalese Rifle Surplus (IMA)
  49. 32:51:00What's Next for Large-Scale Surplusing?
  50. 33:01:00Russian Arms & Export Restrictions
  51. 33:33:00Mosin-Nagant Surplus (Soviet Collapse)
  52. 34:14:00Obsolete Arms & Importability (FAMAS)
  53. 35:46:00Key Factors for Collectible Firearms
  54. 36:05:00Know What You're Buying
  55. 36:30:00Matching Serial Numbers
  56. 37:17:00Caveats to Matching Numbers
  57. 38:10:00Specific Firearm Details Matter
  58. 38:39:00Unsung Heroes of Forgotten Weapons
  59. 39:57:00Rimmed Cartridges: Why Obsolete?
  60. 40:10:00Rimlock & Magazine Design Issues
  61. 40:50:00Rimfire vs. Centerfire Economics
  62. 42:01:00Opinion on Rapid Fire Trigger Systems (Binary Triggers)
  63. 42:15:00Safety Concerns with Binary Triggers
  64. 43:07:00Simulated Full Auto vs. Practicality
  65. 44:08:00Modern Adaptation of Kirka Rotating Bolt System
  66. 44:25:00Rotating vs. Tilting Barrel Pistols
  67. 45:18:00Biggest Surprise Opportunity
  68. 45:35:00Walther WA 2000 Experience
  69. 46:27:00Jeff Cooper's Scout Rifle Concept
  70. 46:45:00Scout Rifle Concept: Rule of Threes
  71. 47:06:00Scout Rifle Features & Examples (Ruger, Steyr)
  72. 48:10:00Scout Rifle's Limited Scope
  73. 49:31:00Shooting Matching Numbered Collectible Guns
  74. 49:59:00Risk vs. Enjoyment of Shooting Collectibles
  75. 50:15:00Pristine Condition Firearms
  76. 51:15:00Shooting G43 with Aftermarket Gas System
  77. 52:02:00Example: Shooting a Rare French RSC 1917
  78. 52:35:00More Early Guns? Cartridge vs. Muzzleloader
  79. 52:44:00Interest in Cartridge-Firing Guns
  80. 53:04:00Practicality of Muzzleloaders
  81. 54:41:00Why French Firearms Get a Bad Rap
  82. 55:04:00French Bolt-Action Rifle Collection
  83. 55:31:00Factors Contributing to French Gun Reputation
  84. 55:36:00WWII Capitulation & Gun Culture
  85. 57:05:00French Design Tendencies (First/Last)
  86. 57:19:00Lebel Rifle: Groundbreaking but Flawed
  87. 58:25:00French Semi-Automatic Rifle Development
  88. 58:53:00French Design Tendencies (Last Version)
  89. 59:01:00MAS 36 vs. M1 Garand
  90. 60:04:00Timing Issues in French Firearm Development
  91. 60:15:00SA80 (L85A2) Review
  92. 60:36:00L85A2 Combat Effectiveness & Weight
  93. 61:42:00L85 Availability in the US
  94. 62:20:00Manually Operated SA80 (L98)
  95. 63:01:00Tours of Relevant Historical Locations
  96. 63:16:00European Trip & Battlefield Tours (Ypres)
  97. 64:01:00Content on InRange TV
  98. 64:40:00Patreon Support & Future Content

Frequently Asked Questions

What is gain twist rifling and why is it used?

Gain twist rifling, or progressive twist, varies the rifling pitch along the barrel. It's primarily used to reduce initial pressure when firing large or friction-prone projectiles by starting with a slow twist and increasing it towards the muzzle, making it easier to engrave the bullet and spin it up.

Why did the US choose the M1903 Springfield over the M1917 Enfield after WWI?

The US favored the M1903 Springfield due to its production at the government-owned Springfield Armory, ensuring domestic manufacturing capability. A secondary, less practical reason was the M1903's superior sights for national match competition, despite the M1917 being considered a better combat rifle.

What are the main differences between 6.5 Creedmoor and 6.8 SPC/6.5 Grendel cartridges?

The 6.5 Creedmoor is designed for long-range efficiency with a full rifle-length case, offering better ballistic performance. The 6.8 SPC and 6.5 Grendel prioritize increased bullet weight within the AR-15 magazine's length constraints, resulting in lower velocities due to smaller case capacity.

Why are rimmed cartridges less common today compared to rimless ones?

Rimmed cartridges are less prevalent because designing reliable box magazines for them is significantly more challenging than for rimless cartridges. While not impossible, rimless designs offer simpler and more consistent magazine feeding, making them the preferred choice for modern firearms.

What are the key considerations when buying a collectible firearm?

When buying a collectible firearm, it's crucial to know exactly what you're purchasing, including its specific variation and military configuration. Matching serial numbers on component parts significantly enhances collector value, though this varies by model. Understanding specific details unique to each firearm type is essential.

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