Thorneycroft to SA80 Livestream Finale!

Published on May 10, 2020
Duration: 127:46

This livestream finale celebrates the successful Kickstarter for Jonathan Ferguson's book 'Thornycroft SA80: British Bullpup Firearms.' The discussion delves into the history and technical aspects of British bullpup designs, particularly the EM2 rifle, comparing it to contemporaries like the FAL and exploring its potential adoption. Experts discuss manufacturing processes, design complexities, and the evolution of British small arms.

Quick Summary

The EM2 rifle was a British bullpup design from the late 1940s/early 1950s, intended to be a compact, select-fire infantry weapon. Despite innovative features, its complex trigger mechanism and manufacturing intricacies, like walnut veneer application, presented challenges. It was never fully adopted, with the 280 British cartridge being a key consideration for its performance.

Chapters

  1. 00:00Livestream Finale & Kickstarter Celebration
  2. 00:12Introduction to 'Thornycroft SA80: British Bullpup Firearms' Book
  3. 03:35Origin of the Bullpup Book Idea
  4. 04:43Early Interest in British Military Firearms
  5. 07:25Copyright and IP of Older Firearms
  6. 12:12EM2 Manufacturing Processes: Lost Arts?
  7. 14:29Magpul Modernized EM2 Concept
  8. 16:54L85 Cadet Rifle at the Royal Armouries
  9. 17:30Technical Drawings for the EM2
  10. 18:23EM2 vs. 280/30 vs. FAL: Adoption Debate
  11. 20:28Could the EM2 Have Been Successful?
  12. 23:25EM2 Trigger Mechanism and Complexity
  13. 24:34EM2 3D Animation Sneak Peek
  14. 26:03280 British Ammunition Availability
  15. 28:31Meaning of 'L' in L1A1 and L85
  16. 32:39Security Concerns at the National Firearms Centre (NFC)
  17. 34:53Size of the Royal Armouries Handgun Collection
  18. 37:02SA80 A3 Upgrades and Future
  19. 38:48Artillery in the Royal Armouries Museum
  20. 41:30EM1 vs. EM2: Engineering Design Potential
  21. 43:10The Korps AK: Bullpup FG42 Concept
  22. 43:33British Small Arms Designations Explained
  23. 46:10SA80 Exports Outside the UK
  24. 50:11British Army's Future Preference: Bullpup or AR?
  25. 51:32Timeline and Process of Writing the Book
  26. 56:38Boer War Influence on Thorneycroft Rifle
  27. 61:04Sci-Fi Interests and Collectibles
  28. 63:05Vampire Hunting Kits: History and Myth
  29. 70:03QI Game Show Appearance with Stephen Fry
  30. 74:08Favorite Rifle: EM2 vs. AR/AK
  31. 75:11Left-Handed EM2 Commando Rifles
  32. 80:09YouTube Notification Sounds Issue
  33. 80:25Steampunk vs. Space Age Aesthetics
  34. 81:05280 British vs. 5.56mm NATO Practicality
  35. 82:01Recoil of 280 British vs. 7.62x51mm NATO
  36. 86:05Muzzle Devices: Brakes vs. Compensators

Frequently Asked Questions

What was the origin of the EM2 rifle?

The EM2 rifle was a British bullpup design developed in the late 1940s and early 1950s. It aimed to provide a more compact and effective infantry weapon, featuring select-fire capability and firing an intermediate cartridge, influenced by post-WWII military requirements.

What were the main challenges with the EM2 rifle's design?

The EM2's trigger mechanism was notably complex, contributing to a heavy and inconsistent trigger pull. Manufacturing processes, such as applying walnut veneer to compound curves, were also intricate and less common today. The rifle was also not fully finalized before its development was halted.

Did the 280 British cartridge prove effective in the EM2?

Proponents believed the 280 British cartridge was controllable for full-auto fire in the EM2, offering a good balance of power and manageability. However, it was not adopted by the US, and the subsequent adoption of 7.62x51mm NATO presented different challenges for the rifle's configuration.

What is the current status of the SA80 rifle?

The SA80 rifle is currently undergoing upgrades to the A3 standard. While its out-of-service date was revised and then removed, there are no immediate plans for its replacement, indicating it will likely remain in British Army service for the foreseeable future.

What is the significance of the 'L' designation on British firearms?

The 'L' designation on British service firearms, such as the L1A1 and L85, stands for 'Land Service,' indicating its adoption by the British Army. Other designations like 'N' for Naval Service and 'A' for Air Force were considered but 'L' became the standard.

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