"Black Widow" Luger - Real or Fake?

Published on December 27, 2023
Duration: 16:58

This video provides a detailed guide on how to distinguish a genuine "Black Widow" Luger from a counterfeit. It covers critical inspection points including receiver markings, proof stamps, serial number application, magazine modifications, and grip material and sound tests. The instructor emphasizes looking for signs of artificial aging, incorrect stamping techniques, and material inconsistencies to identify fakes.

Quick Summary

To identify a fake "Black Widow" Luger, examine the grips for air bubbles and test their sound when tapped (real Bakelite 'clinks,' fake plastic 'thuds'). Scrutinize receiver markings like 'byf' for signs of shaving, proof stamps for correct crispness, and serial numbers for straight stamping. Original wax fill will be yellowed, not bright white.

Chapters

  1. 00:00Introduction: Black Widow Luger Topic
  2. 00:37Comparing Real vs. Fake Black Widow Lugers
  3. 01:24Variations of "Black Widow" Lugers
  4. 02:20Defining the "Black Widow" Luger
  5. 03:00byf 41 "Black Widow" Variation
  6. 04:04Proof Stamps: byf 41 vs. byf 42
  7. 04:39"Black Widow" Popularity and Price
  8. 05:14Dissecting a Fake Luger
  9. 05:35Examining the Side Plate Finish
  10. 05:50Wax Fill: Original vs. Added
  11. 07:06Analyzing the "byf" Receiver Marking
  12. 07:55Questionable Proof Stamps
  13. 08:31Fake vs. Real 655 Stamp Tools
  14. 09:13Serial Number Stamping Analysis
  15. 09:39Finish and Wear on a Luger
  16. 10:21Magazine Bottom Inspection
  17. 10:46Fake vs. Real Grips: Material and Air Bubbles
  18. 11:34The Grip Tap Test
  19. 12:17The Faker's Skill and Mistakes
  20. 13:02Date Stamping Errors on Fakes
  21. 13:14World War II Luger Date Marking Details
  22. 13:35Test Eagle vs. Waffen Proof
  23. 13:45Holster Identification: WW1 vs. WW2
  24. 14:14Rare Pig Skin Holsters
  25. 14:51Summary of Fake Items
  26. 14:59Dilemma: What to Do with Fake Firearms
  27. 15:26Selling Fakes as Shooters
  28. 15:54Transparency and Serial Numbers
  29. 16:26Value of Fake Firearms
  30. 16:31Legacy Collectibles Party Announcement

Frequently Asked Questions

What defines a "Black Widow" Luger?

The "Black Widow" Luger is a term for specific Luger models, primarily byf 41 and byf 42 variants, characterized by their black Bakelite grips and black-bottom magazines. This designation was popularized by American salesman Ralph Shatak.

How can I identify a fake "Black Widow" Luger's grips?

Genuine Bakelite grips are hard plastic and should not have air bubbles. A key test is tapping them together; real Bakelite produces a sharp 'clink,' while fake plastic makes a dull 'thud.' Fake grips often exhibit visible air bubbles from the molding process.

What are the key markings to check for authenticity on a Luger?

Inspect the 'byf' marking for signs of shaving or inscription, analyze proof stamps (like '655') for correct crispness and depth, and check the serial number for straight, consistent stamping. World War II Lugers should also have a distinct 'stitching' line across the date stamp.

Are there specific signs of fakery on Luger magazines and holsters?

Magazine bottoms showing signs of peening or modification suggest tampering. For holsters, incorrect dating, fake eagle stamps, or missing specific markings like the 'P.08' can indicate a counterfeit. Rare pigskin holsters have unique construction details.

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