Turkish Orman/Berthier Carbine at the Range

Published on October 1, 2012
Duration: 12:29

This review of the Turkish Orman Berthier Carbine, a converted French WWI rifle, highlights its unique history and technical specifications. The carbine, chambered in 8mm Lebel, was modified by Turkey for their Forestry Corps in 1948. Testing revealed significant reliability issues with surplus ammunition but acceptable accuracy with commercial loads, alongside substantial recoil. A critical safety warning is issued regarding 'Ball N' ammunition.

Quick Summary

The Turkish Orman Berthier Carbine, a 1948 conversion for Turkey's Forestry Corps, is chambered in 8mm Lebel and uses a 3-round clip. Range tests showed reliability issues with surplus ammo but a 4-inch group at 50 yards with commercial loads. A key safety warning concerns 'Ball N' ammunition, which should only be fired in modified rifles marked with an 'N'.

Chapters

  1. 00:14Introduction to the Berthier Rifle
  2. 01:15History of the Turkish 'Orman' Conversion
  3. 03:12Technical Details of the Conversion
  4. 04:25Range Testing with Surplus Ammo
  5. 05:51Accuracy and Handling
  6. 09:17Safety Warning: Ball N Ammunition

Frequently Asked Questions

What is the Turkish Orman Berthier Carbine and its history?

The Turkish Orman Berthier Carbine is a converted French Berthier rifle, modified by Turkey for their Forestry Corps (Orman) in 1948. Approximately 10,000 were converted to carbine length, chambered in 8mm Lebel.

What are the key technical specifications of the Turkish Orman Berthier Carbine?

This bolt-action carbine is chambered in 8mm Lebel (8x50R) and has a 3-round capacity using a Mannlicher-style en-bloc clip. Conversions were completed in 1948 and feature specific 'T.C. ORMAN 1948' markings.

What were the findings during the range testing of the Turkish Orman Berthier Carbine?

Range testing revealed significant reliability issues with old surplus 8mm Lebel ammunition, including duds and hangfires. Accuracy with commercial hunting ammo at 50 yards was a 4-inch group, and the carbine has substantial recoil.

What is the critical safety warning regarding ammunition for this carbine?

A critical safety warning exists for 'Ball N' ammunition. Rifles modified for this round are marked with an 'N' on the receiver. Firing 'Ball N' in non-modified rifles can lead to dangerous pressure spikes.

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