Real or Fake? Authenticating an 1897 Trench Gun

Published on September 19, 2023
Duration: 16:12

This video provides a comprehensive guide to authenticating the Winchester 1897 Trench Gun, distinguishing between original WWI/WWII military models and fakes. Key authentication points include serial number ranges, frame type (solid vs. takedown), heat shield hole counts, bayonet adapter markings, barrel sight placement, receiver proof marks, original finish types, and stock characteristics. The speaker emphasizes that while some guns may have authentic parts, their configuration and finish are crucial for determining originality and collector value.

Quick Summary

Authenticating a Winchester 1897 Trench Gun involves checking serial numbers (WWI: E613k-E705k, WWII: 921k-986k), frame type (WWI solid, WWII takedown), heat shield holes (WWI=6, WWII=4), and front sight placement on the bayonet adapter.

Chapters

  1. 00:00Intro: The 1897 Trench Gun & Fakes
  2. 01:18Serial Number Authentication
  3. 02:08Solid vs. Takedown Frames
  4. 03:02Bayonet Adapter & Heat Shield Details
  5. 04:43Barrel & Front Sight Authentication
  6. 06:00Receiver Markings: US & Proofs
  7. 06:42Original Finish Analysis (Blue vs. Parkerized)
  8. 09:49Stock Identification: WWI vs. WWII
  9. 11:31Sling Swivels & Buttplates
  10. 12:43Final Verdict on Example Gun

Frequently Asked Questions

What are the key serial number ranges for authentic Winchester 1897 Trench Guns?

WWI-era 1897 Trench Guns typically fall between serial numbers E613,000 and E705,000. WWII examples are generally found between 921,300 and 986,300, with most concentrated between 930,000 and 953,000.

How can I differentiate between WWI and WWII Winchester 1897 Trench Gun frames?

WWI models were built on solid frames where the barrel is not detachable. WWII production utilized takedown frames, allowing the barrel and magazine tube assembly to be removed as one unit.

What distinguishes the heat shield and bayonet adapter on WWI vs. WWII Trench Guns?

WWI heat shields have six cooling holes, while WWII versions have four. WWI bayonet adapters also feature specific patent dates (Jan 15 & Mar 19, 1918) on the right side.

Where should the front sight bead be located on a genuine 1897 Trench Gun?

On an authentic trench gun, the front sight bead is mounted directly onto the bayonet adapter, not the barrel itself. A bead on the barrel suggests a modified commercial barrel.

Is parkerizing an original finish for the Winchester 1897 Trench Gun?

No, parkerizing was never a factory finish for the 1897 Trench Gun. It typically indicates post-WWII arsenal refurbishment. Non-arsenal parkerizing significantly reduces collector value.

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