Your Gun Training Is Useless Past 10 Yards?

Published on December 11, 2025
Duration: 7:46

This video challenges the notion that extensive firearm training beyond 10 yards is unnecessary, as proposed by retired Delta Force Sergeant Major John 'Shrek' McPhee. Colion Noir counters with real-world examples of civilian defensive shootings occurring at greater distances. The discussion highlights the importance of repetition for skill acquisition and suggests a balanced training approach that includes both close-quarters and longer-range practice.

Quick Summary

Retired Delta Force Sergeant Major John 'Shrek' McPhee controversially claims firearm training beyond 10 yards is useless. Colion Noir disputes this, citing civilian defensive shootings at 15 and 40 yards, and argues for balanced training including longer distances.

Chapters

  1. 00:00The 20-Round Controversy
  2. 01:15Training Distance Debate
  3. 02:25Real-World Counter-Examples
  4. 03:55Repetition and Skill Acquisition
  5. 05:30The Workout Analogy

Frequently Asked Questions

What is John 'Shrek' McPhee's controversial claim about firearm training?

Retired Delta Force Sergeant Major John 'Shrek' McPhee claims that shooting more than 20 rounds in a training session is a waste of time because human focus declines significantly beyond that point. He also advocates for training primarily within 7-10 yards.

Why does Colion Noir disagree with McPhee's training distance recommendations?

Colion Noir counters McPhee's '3-yard rule' by citing real-world civilian defensive shootings, such as Eli Dicken engaging a threat from 40 yards and Jack Wilson from 15 yards, demonstrating the need for proficiency at greater distances.

How does Colion Noir compare firearms training to other activities?

Colion Noir compares firearms training to a gym workout. He likens close-range shooting to 'compound movements' that build fundamental skills, while longer-range shooting is considered 'accessory work,' both of which are important for a well-rounded training regimen.

What are the benefits of higher round counts in firearm training?

For some individuals, particularly 'repetition learners,' higher round counts can be beneficial. They may not achieve optimal performance or find their rhythm until they have fired more than 20 rounds, indicating that volume can aid skill acquisition.

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