Gun Gripes #309: "Gun Control From Ammo Manufacturers?"

Published on September 13, 2021
Duration: 38:59

This video critically examines the inconsistencies and perceived disadvantages faced by civilians when purchasing ammunition and firearms compared to law enforcement. The hosts highlight how 'Law Enforcement Only' (LEO) SKUs often offer more ammunition for the same or lower price, are sometimes more consistently manufactured, and can be more readily available. They question the rationale behind these distinctions, suggesting it creates an uneven playing field and potentially limits civilian access to optimal equipment for self-defense and training. The discussion extends to firearm configurations, particularly concerning import regulations like 922r, where civilian models are often 'neutered' while LEO versions remain in their full-spec configuration, leading to higher costs for civilians to achieve parity.

Quick Summary

Law enforcement (LE) ammunition SKUs often provide a better value, with 50-round boxes priced similarly to civilian 20-round boxes, offering a lower cost per round. While the ammunition itself is frequently identical, LEO versions may feature enhanced moisture resistance. The 'LEO Only' designation can create an uneven playing field, as civilians may face higher costs or restrictions for comparable firearm configurations due to import regulations like 922r.

Chapters

  1. 00:00Introduction: Ammo Companies and Gun Control?
  2. 00:41Sponsor: RMA Body Armor
  3. 01:14The Core Gripe: LE vs. Civilian Ammo Pricing
  4. 04:05Ammunition Features: Sealed Primers & Consistency
  5. 05:17Federal HST: Civilian vs. LE Packaging
  6. 06:31Why the Distinction? Performance & Cost
  7. 07:06Does LE Ammo Perform Better?
  8. 07:33LE SKUs: Why Stock if Not for Civilians?
  9. 08:03Law Enforcement Ammo Procurement Assumptions
  10. 09:30Pro-Gun Cops & Ammo Availability
  11. 10:10Observation: Piles of LE Ammo in Stores
  12. 10:49LE Don't Need to Buy: Free Ammo from Armory?
  13. 11:09Capitalism vs. Exclusivity
  14. 11:50The Inconvenience of 20-Round Boxes
  15. 12:17Handling Leftover Rounds
  16. 12:58Are Gun Companies Mildly Anti-Gun?
  17. 13:13Hypothetical: Better Performance for LE?
  18. 14:05Government Contracts & 'Seconds' Theory
  19. 14:38Federal Flight Control Wad Buckshot
  20. 15:29LE SKU Availability Inconsistencies
  21. 16:02Appearance of Unequal Armament
  22. 16:40Unintended Consequences of Company Policies
  23. 16:51Beyond Ammunition: LE Firearm SKUs
  24. 17:11922r Explained: Imported Firearms
  25. 19:19No Rhyme or Reason: Inconsistency in Sales
  26. 19:56Secondhand Market & LE Guns
  27. 20:36Where is the Consistency?
  28. 20:50Not About Who Should Have What
  29. 21:14Historical Analogy: British Empire & Nepal
  30. 22:16The 'Outgun You' Mentality
  31. 22:23Anti-Gun vs. Pro-Gun Police
  32. 23:24Rural vs. Inner City Police Attitudes
  33. 23:54Company Stance: Sell to Civilians or Not?
  34. 24:21Analogy: 1994 Assault Weapons Ban
  35. 25:16FFLs and Police Departments
  36. 26:44The Inconsistency of It All
  37. 27:01Equal Tools for Equal Protection
  38. 28:18M-Rap Depot Analogy
  39. 28:39Breaching Pin Demonstration (Off-Topic)
  40. 30:29Workarounds & Black Talon
  41. 31:01Make 50-Round Boxes Available to All
  42. 31:17Appearance of Disingenuousness
  43. 31:29Carry Gun & Mags: What About 20 Rounds?
  44. 32:04Impact on Training & Testing
  45. 32:47Vetting Your Carry Ammunition
  46. 33:35Every Gun is an Individual
  47. 34:39Federal Guard Dog Ammunition
  48. 35:28Reiteration: Not Anti-Cop or Anti-Civilian
  49. 35:50Equal Opportunity for Protection
  50. 36:10Minor Observation, Getting It Off Chest
  51. 36:44Manufacturers Need to Know the Market
  52. 37:13We Want More, Not Less
  53. 37:31More Bullets, We Are Americans
  54. 38:06Outro & Thanks

Frequently Asked Questions

Why do ammunition companies offer 'Law Enforcement Only' (LEO) SKUs?

Ammunition companies offer LEO SKUs for various reasons, including providing bulk purchasing options, potentially different quality control standards, and sometimes specific product configurations or pricing structures intended for government contracts or agency procurement. However, the exact rationale and enforcement of these designations can vary significantly between manufacturers and retailers.

What is the price difference between civilian and LEO ammunition?

Often, LEO-designated ammunition is sold in larger quantities (e.g., 50-round boxes) for a price comparable to or less than civilian 20-round boxes of the same caliber and type. This results in a lower cost per round for LEO ammunition, offering a significant financial advantage.

Are LEO ammunition and civilian ammunition the same?

In many cases, the ammunition itself is identical in performance and construction. The distinction often lies in packaging, quantity, and sometimes minor features like primer sealing. However, some LEO SKUs may feature enhanced moisture resistance or be part of specific contract runs.

What are the implications of 'LEO Only' firearm configurations for civilians?

For imported firearms, 'LEO Only' configurations often retain features restricted for civilian sales under regulations like 922r. Civilians may need to purchase expensive US-made compliance parts to legally own such firearms, making them significantly more costly than the LEO versions.

Why is there inconsistency in the sale of LEO-designated firearms and ammunition to civilians?

Inconsistency arises from varying retailer policies, manufacturer distribution strategies, and the interpretation of regulations. Some retailers may sell LEO items without verification, while others strictly adhere to the designation, leading to a fragmented and confusing market for consumers.

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