THESE AREN'T LEGAL, Ledesma Arms Grip + Micro Roni - NEVER BUY THESE!!! - California Gun Laws

Published on April 30, 2020
Duration: 11:56

This video provides an expert analysis of the legality of the Ledesma Arms grip for AR-15 style firearms and the CAA Micro Roni stabilizing kit for Glock pistols in California. The instructor explains the legal definitions of pistol grips and assault weapons, emphasizing the 'web of thumb' test for grips and features like second hand grips and barrel shrouds for pistols. He strongly advises against the Ledesma grip due to its clear violation of California's pistol grip definition and expresses significant concern about the Micro Roni kit potentially rendering a Glock an illegal assault weapon, while clarifying the state's 'no constructive intent' law.

Quick Summary

In California, the Ledesma Arms grip is considered illegal because it violates the 'web of thumb below trigger' rule for pistol grips. The CAA Micro Roni kit is questionable; while owning it is legal, attaching it to a pistol may create an illegal assault weapon configuration due to features like a second hand grip or barrel shroud.

Chapters

  1. 00:00Introduction: Controversial CA Gun Parts
  2. 00:09Ledesma Arms Grip & Micro Roni Overview
  3. 01:13Ledesma Arms Grip: Non-Legal Reasons
  4. 02:48Ledesma Arms Grip: Legality Analysis
  5. 03:08Monster Man Grip Legal Precedent
  6. 04:01Sparrow Dynamic Grip Legal Analysis
  7. 04:33Ledesma Grip Misuse Example
  8. 05:10Conclusion: Ledesma Grip is Illegal
  9. 05:45CAA Micro Roni Kit Explained
  10. 06:27CA Assault Weapon Definition for Pistols
  11. 06:48Micro Roni Features: Threaded Barrel
  12. 07:02Micro Roni Features: Second Hand Grip
  13. 07:13Micro Roni Features: Barrel Shroud
  14. 08:50Micro Roni: Final Thoughts & Legality
  15. 09:55California's 'No Constructive Intent' Law
  16. 10:19Summary: Ledesma vs. Micro Roni
  17. 10:57Alternative to Micro Roni
  18. 11:14Why This Topic is Important
  19. 11:34Concluding Remarks & Disclaimer

Frequently Asked Questions

Is the Ledesma Arms grip legal in California?

No, the Ledesma Arms grip is considered straight up not legal in California. The primary reason is that it is shaped like a pistol grip and can be held in a way that violates the state's definition of a legal grip, specifically the 'web of thumb below trigger' rule.

Are CAA Micro Roni kits legal in California?

The legality of CAA Micro Roni kits in California is questionable. While owning the kit itself is not illegal, attaching it to a Glock pistol may render the firearm an illegal assault weapon due to features like a potential second hand grip or barrel shroud. It's advised to transport the pistol and kit separately.

What is the 'web of thumb' test for firearm grips in California?

In California, a grip is considered a pistol grip if the web of your thumb can wrap around it and be placed below the exposed portion of the trigger in a firing position. This test is used to determine if a grip is legal on a featureless firearm.

Does California have 'constructive intent' laws for firearms?

No, California does not have constructive intent laws for firearms. This means that possessing components of a firearm that could be assembled into an illegal configuration (like an assault weapon) is not illegal as long as those components are not assembled into that illegal configuration.

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